Feb. 26, 2025
No Chill #8: The Episode on Aging: The Beauty of Letting Go
What if you could instantly become a master of any skill, just like in "The Matrix"? Join us as we entertain this tantalizing thought experiment on "Brother, Sister, Whatever." Lisa dreams of mastering kung fu and jiu-jitsu for the empowerment and confidence it exudes, while Josh envisions a deep dive into the world of psychology, inspired by the analytical prowess of figures like Jordan Peterson. Together, we paint a picture of a world where learning is as easy as downloading a new skill set...
What if you could instantly become a master of any skill, just like in "The Matrix"? Join us as we entertain this tantalizing thought experiment on "Brother, Sister, Whatever." Lisa dreams of mastering kung fu and jiu-jitsu for the empowerment and confidence it exudes, while Josh envisions a deep dive into the world of psychology, inspired by the analytical prowess of figures like Jordan Peterson. Together, we paint a picture of a world where learning is as easy as downloading a new skill set, imagining the empowerment and fantasy that comes with immediate mastery.
Our conversation takes a thoughtful turn as we reflect on the journey of aging. We weigh the wisdom and insight gained over the years against the challenges of a slower metabolism and occasional vertigo. With humor and candor, we share personal stories and observations about societal perceptions of aging, especially the pressures women face to maintain a youthful appearance. Drawing inspiration from motivational figures like Gary V, we explore the idea that it's never too late to embark on new adventures and chase fresh ambitions. Join us for a rich discussion on aging, societal norms, and the enduring spirit to redefine personal goals at any stage of life.
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00:00 - Exploring Aging and Personal Ambitions
11:13 - Perspectives on Aging and Ambitions
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Hi everyone, welcome back to Brother, Sister.
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Whatever, I'm Lisa.
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And I'm Josh.
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Today we're diving into something a lot of people might be curious about aging.
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We're talking about getting older, the ups and downs and everything in between.
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But first we'll have our weekly what-if question.
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What if you could instantly master any skill?
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Would you choose, and why?
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okay, you first on this one okay, I would learn all kinds of self-defense methods, okay, okay like kung fu, jiu-jitsu karate you know, like the matrix, where they plug it in and it's just you, instantly know all this stuff like, who can forget that montage, right?
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yeah, that was awesome, that was awesome, like downloaded.
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Yeah, remember even like uh, when they needed to like fly a chopper, it was like you know, they download it boom.
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I know how to fly it exactly, exactly at at its base.
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It's all about self-defense knowing how to protect myself if I need to, that kind of thing.
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For sure.
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However, I think there's also a little bit of like a power.
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I would feel powerful.
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I feel like it would be really great for your how to take.
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You know how to take care of yourself that's actually that way.
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Yeah, that's actually a really good point.
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You know how, like someone with a black belt, they can't really fight anyone because they're very dangerous.
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They're like a lethal weapon, right yeah, I think the power would be more just for me, like I don't feel like I would necessarily like use it as a shield or like, uh a shield with the people around me.
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But you see, that's my point.
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No one who is in that scenario acts like that, because that's the point.
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Okay, I think I understand what you're saying.
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Is that the?
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people with the power that know that they have power don't feel the need to use it.
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And they can control it.
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Exactly.
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They'll say is Superman brave or not?
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And my answer is that he's not really brave, and the reason why he's not brave is because he's indestructible.
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Nothing can kill him.
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So I have no problem walking in front of the bullet.
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I have no problem going and saving those people.
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Nothing can kill me, nothing can hurt me.
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Is that brave?
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Versus, like I don't know.
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I'm sure people listening to this might argue with me, but like I don't know.
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I'm sure people listening to this might argue with me, but like I don't know.
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Iron man I mean, it's a suit, it's a little different.
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I mean he could still technically get his bones crushed, you know if, if he's not careful, or you know like things can still happen to to him.
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Batman and superman there we go, because, if you think about it, batman is very breakable.
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So every day that he does something, you know you could consider that brave.
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So I guess where I'm going with this before we I hijacked the podcast is that like you saying that like, oh, it would be amazing for me to learn all of these skills, like these martial arts, not so that you can use it.
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No.
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You have that Batman feeling.
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Yes, learning that skill is not for anybody else but me yeah.
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That's awesome, like what about you?
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What skill would you master?
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what about you?
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What skill would you master?
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I'm, I'm very much into um like, just like profiling and psychology and that type of stuff so I would love to just like become you know like a guru.
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Jordan Peterson.
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You know, like boom, just that knowledge is like in my head.
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You know, like that would be pretty amazing, it'd be fun to kind of have that skill.
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And you know, it's funny that now that I just I just literally thought of it, because wanting that skill is actually very close to what I do already.
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Okay, but for dogs, and and and also, it makes me realize like, oh yeah, I guess it's not really far off from yours, is far off.
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You know, like I would have not expected that.
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I would have thought maybe something to do with like business or like internet or like, you know, like a webmaster or like graphic designer or something like that.
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But no, I did not think you were going to go for martial arts.
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So but yeah, I guess mine is kind of it's pretty boring.
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I guess it's like in the same category of what I'm already doing I analyze dogs every day, then I mediate the families, the people, and in this case I want to have that Jordan Peterson mind.
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That would be the skill, though like to have his brain.
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You know, I don't want to be him, specifically for his brain.
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I don't want to be him.
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Like he's just so good.
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I don't know if you've ever watched any of his interviews or anything.
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Nothing Can I be honest, I don't even know who he is.
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Okay, but so why that skill specifically?
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Like I said, you know, I think it would be really wonderful to just understand people a little bit more on a deeper level and not so much on just a surface level kind of thing I think that would be.
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that would be really like going back to the matrix.
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I feel like if ever the world was going towards something like that okay, not the whole external, like the world is dead and we're like living in pods, but I mean like the the pot, the part, specifically about how we learn things that insert and you've learned it and you're a master man the shit we could do oh man, that would be crazy I know right yeah it's like even just like, I want to learn how to knit, but I don't want to like.
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It's so like come on, just insert a little chip and let me just knit but you know what I'm so stupid, I know, but no it's not, but I'm with you on that.
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But also you want to know something, what?
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And it really only just kind of thought of that afterwards, like when you were saying that about the knit, and like you know, I just want to.
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I don't know why he popped into my head, but like Michael Jordan popped into my head.
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Okay, why?
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And he popped into my head because he's so great, okay Right, so great.
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Okay, right.
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Imagine if everyone could pop a chip and be like Michael Jordan.
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Michael Jordan wouldn't be Michael Jordan.
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Exactly how special would we be?
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So you know that's the downside of things.
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Okay, we're going into like a whole other podcast, because now, now, like think about it, you know, because then practice right, like that suffering that entrepreneurs and and and athletes talk about, then that that would.
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There would be no like growth, growth, yeah, exactly.
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Like what we were discussing last week, where it's like instant, instant gratification, almost Right.
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Where it's just like give it to me now.
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Yeah, boom.
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You know, and then how much fulfillment would there be?
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Because we know that all the really really successful, whether it's money or whether it's athlete or they all say the same thing.
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They all say that when they reach it, it's never enough, it's it's always been about the journey, and they only realize it's about the journey after they kind of hit a destination and then they choose another one, like there's always another mountain that's higher, right, you know.
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So it's more about the journey.
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So if that's true, technically that would really ruin a lot of ambition, but it would also make probably the world quite great in many ways.
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Oh, it's a it's a tough one.
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You know what would happen to what the chips can you imagine?
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Because the way that they can kind of monopolize it is if the chips were very expensive and only certain people could afford these certain chips or so what is?
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apprentice chip, journeymanship, master chip, right, so it's like I have master for psychology and then you know there's a.
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You know it's like I can only afford the journeyman one.
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So I'll know a lot about psychology, but not like a doctor.
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And then, oh, that could be money here's the thing.
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What if we could do something like that?
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Every person only gets one thing in the thing.
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What if we could do something like that?
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Every person only gets one thing in their lifetime.
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What would it be?
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Yeah, Like I said, we could talk about this.
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This is a whole different podcast yeah a whole different podcast.
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We'll do one about this and we'll name it the Matrix.
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Okay, that'll be the podcast name.
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Stay tuned, matrix.
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Okay, that'll be the podcast name.
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Stay tuned, guys.
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Yeah.
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So, let's talk about aging.
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Let's start with the physical things.
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Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
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What would be a good thing and a bad thing?
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you've noticed as you've gotten older because now we're both in our 40s.
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About aging um, I'd say bad thing my skin.
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Okay.
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You know, I remember being able to wake up hungover, whatever the case, didn't take a shower for seven days, whatever it was, and my face looked sparkling.
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Okay.
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You know, now it's like shower every day, use the little fucking serum, you know, and all that shit, and I'm like, why the fuck do I still have dry skin?
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You know it's like.
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So I definitely think skin is a downfall for me.
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Okay.
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You know genes right, everyone's a little different.
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And I'd say good thing, because I'm on TRT.
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So that has helped me and made me feel great.
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So in the sense of my age, I'm finally able to actually gain muscle.
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So it's something that technically I never got when I was younger, because I found out that, yeah, in a weird way, that me being older is giving me that young thing that most people would have at that age.
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So that's definitely kind of almost rejuvenated me in some ways.
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The good thing about aging is the perspective that I've gained.
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The older I get, the more that I don't tolerate things that used to bother me or such a big deal are really not that big of a deal.
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So that kind, and I guess my con, the con of aging, is slow metabolism for myself.
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Yeah, I'm not very happy with that.
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Now, when you say slow metabolism, define that.
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What do you mean?
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Now, you can't eat what you want.
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Is that what you're saying?
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Define that like.
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What do you mean?
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like now, like you can't eat what you want.
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Is that what you're saying?
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I was a lucky person in which I could eat whatever I wanted right and I looked a certain way.
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Okay, now I understand that.
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You know, as a woman, after you have children your body changes anyway, so there's that aspect to it.
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But in general, even after having kids, my body kind of bounced back.
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But then as I hit, I sort of hit my forties and then all of a sudden it's well, nothing's changed in my dietary habits, but my body is not looking the way it was, it's not reacting to the foods the same way, it's just different.
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Yeah, and obviously yes, I can certainly change that if I want to.
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I can certainly change that if I want to.
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I'm sure that if I worked out more, or if I could get.
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I guess I'm just mourning the loss of not having to do that.
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Yeah.
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Okay, fun take.
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If you could have one part of your 20-year-old body back, what would it be?
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If I could have one part.
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Yeah, oh, I don't know.
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You tell me.
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If I could have one part of my 20-year-old body back, it would be the lack of back pain, so like a stronger back.
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I have had fucking vertigo and it drives me fucking crazy.
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So, I don't know, is that my ears, I guess, or my fucking head, or whatever?
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I would love to fucking have a normal head where I'm not getting goddamn vertigo every time I go on a goddamn plane and land and then all of a sudden my vacation is ruined because I'm fucking crawling against the walls for for a week.
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You know like shit, you know with the stupid exercises and you know like so you know, and that only happened when I started getting old.
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Okay, so there you go.
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I mean, you know, I would hope that there isn't an 18-year-old walking around with fucking vertigo.
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It's the worst feeling ever.
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Have you had vertigo?
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No, I don't think so.
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Oh, you are the luckiest person in the world.
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I've gotten seasick, but that's not very fun either.
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You know vertigo, I'm not even kidding you.
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You're going to think I'm over-exaggerating, because that's exactly what I thought other people were when they would say this If you literally spun like, just spun around like 15, 16 times and then try to stop.
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Yes, that feeling.
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That feeling, that's vertigo, like the moment you stand up.
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Sit up, you get that feeling like crazy right away.
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That's what fucking vertigo is.
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Yeah, it sucks balls.
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It's not fun.
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No I bet it isn't.
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It doesn't sound fun, so I don't want that, that you know.
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They talk about the crystals and the ear.
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So I don't know, fuck, I cleaned my goddamn ears, you know.
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I don't know what to say, you know.
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But so, whatever, that oldness of ear and head that I want to go away, that would be my thing.
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Okay, okay, let's look at the differences between men and women just very quickly, in terms of aging and and how society looks at it.
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So, for example, I'll give you an example First thing that comes to my mind is gray hair.
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Okay.
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You see, like a guy with salt and pepper hair or grayish hair, it's like distinguished.
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He's a distinguished older man, right?
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Sure, no, this is a thing.
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But a woman with gray hair is very rare, unless they're much older in life, because most women have continued to dye their hair, right?
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So, that it's not gray.
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I'm certainly one of those people.
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I've also for a moment in time at least a good two years tried to just not dye my hair and, just like you know what it's graying, it is what it is.
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And then at one point I was just like, okay, I've had enough and I dyed it.
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So why do you think that is?
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It's the patriarchy.
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Okay.
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No, I'm serious.
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Men and women are, within society, looked at differently.
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Yeah.
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So why is it that women have to attain this beauty image of like a 20-year-old at all times, but men are allowed to age, gracefully?
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Society has ingrained in us that if we go out looking less than, then we are less than.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So it's just, I don't necessarily want you to answer the question, it's just thought provoking in a way.
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One of the things that I've kind of, you know, over the years, struggled with is almost feeling like, oh, I'm past my due, I can't go back to school now, I'm too old.
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I've always kind of held myself back because it was you know, don't have the time, don't have the you know, have kids in school that should be focusing on them and all of that stuff.
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Is your take on aging, starting over even it, like with a new career?
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When are you too old to do that, if you are?
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I'm a.
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I'm a huge gary v fan, okay, so, um, you know, because of that he's pretty much ingrained it into.
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I'm sure anyone who's a listener of g Vee will think the same as me.
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I don't think you're ever too old.
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I really don't, because I used to be very much like that.
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Okay.
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Even though I'm only 40.
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I was very much like that.
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You're still.
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You're not even like halfway, like halfway through your life.
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I know.
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So imagine all of the 40 years that you've lived and grown you have another 40.
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It's crazy when you think about it.
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I know you don't think like that.
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We look at midlife crisis.
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Mm-hmm.
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Oh, you know, it's like the end, it's the start of the end.
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Yeah.
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It's true, though, right.
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It is.
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Okay, Fun.
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Take If you could have any job at this stage in life, no limits.
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What would it be?
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Let's reintroduce our matrix.
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What if?
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And say it could be a plug-in.
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Okay.
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And you could start a whole new career, would you?
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And what would it be?
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