May 14, 2025
No Chill #17: Obsession Nation – Cosplay, Swifties & the Heroes Who Raised Us
Fandoms aren’t just about celebrities or fictional characters—they’re emotional homes where we process feelings, celebrate obsession, and find community through shared passion.
In this episode, Lisa and Josh dive into the world of fandom culture—from cosplay and gaming to music and underdog stories:
• Are you a casual fan or a full-blown Swiftie?
• How cosplay helps people embody resilience and identity
• Celebrities who love their fans vs those who set hard boundaries
• Enduring fandoms like Supernatural, Buffy, The Walking Dead
• The emotional power of music fandoms and indie rap’s raw storytelling
• Gaming loyalty from League of Legends to Final Fantasy
• What causes fan burnout (and how creators lose us)
• Weekly What If: What if you had a fandom?
• Regret of the Week: Missing the Eras Tour
“At its core, fandom is just a way of saying: this thing mattered to me, and I wanted someone else to feel it too.”
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00:29 - Welcome to Real Talk with Zero Chill
03:56 - Connecting with Heroes Through Cosplay
06:04 - Weekly What If: Your Personal Fandom
13:24 - Celebrity Life and Fan Interactions
16:39 - TV Show Fandoms That Endure
22:36 - This or That: Fan Favorites
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Hi everyone, welcome to Brother, sister.
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Whatever, I'm Lisa.
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And I'm Josh.
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And this is Real Talk with Zero Chill.
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Alright, so let's get into it.
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So this episode is about what it means to love something loudly, and how fandom becomes like a weird little home for your feelings.
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Hmm.
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Which is true if you think about it, if I think about it like.
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I think about it like, let's say, taylor Swift, huge fan, not a Swifty, because I equate Swifties with, like you know, looking for Easter eggs and knowing all the details and all that stuff.
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I love her music, know a lot of the words to most of her songs, so can I be like a semi-Swifty you?
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can be whatever you want.
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I'll call myself a semi-Swifty, okay, but I recognize, like you know, like with a lot of songs, actually, you can feel like you can relate in many ways to the things that she's singing, right, or whatever.
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For you it could be Eminem, or whatever, Okay, and so I feel like, for myself, music really does that, all different genres, right, really does that for me, as opposed to, let's say, a TV show.
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I wouldn't necessarily, you know, know, like it says here, like have feelings, would I?
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Would I, though, hold on, let's think about this, josh, welcome everybody to brother, sister, whatever.
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I'm Lisa.
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I'm Josh.
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Well, I think that, like you just said, for you music, music hits.
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Something, hits a chord.
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For sure, and I'm sure I mean, have you, have you not had this feeling?
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I've had this feeling where you're watching a movie and something hero-like happens and you feel like this, almost like like yeah you know, like you know like that's true.
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Or even just crying at a scene, right, it's like something like emotes something out of you.
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So yeah, okay, I shouldn't, I shouldn't say it doesn't.
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So I think that that might touch certain people, like I think this is why my son absolutely loves anime, because a lot of the anime, the stock, I mean there's a lot of the anime.
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The style, I mean there's a lot of different styles, but the style that he's watching is like it's always an underdog and it's always someone who wants to be the hero and can't be right now or whatever, and they have to struggle and fight and and and get to that point, you know.
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And so for him I can tell that you know it's it resonates yeah.
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It resonates and like he, he's like oh you know, like he got to that level, you know, like, look at him, you know, and, and so you know, I could see him wanting to dress up or act out that type of behavior, to feel that sense of strength.
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That's true.
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I could relate to some ways in Dragon Ball Z, like Goku, when I was a kid, and he would get beaten up.
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And no matter how much he got beaten up, you know he would scream and, and you know, just get more energy.
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You know to to keep battling through that, you know.
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So there's something about that type of stuff and I think the cosplayers sure, maybe it's just dress up for some, but I think too that some it's way deeper.
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You know, it's like, it's like a connection yeah, this person makes me feel like this, and when I dress up like them, I feel invincible yeah, yeah dressing up as spider-man but also like, even if you were to just look at it from a standpoint because I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that are like, look down at that kind of thing oh yeah like what if you just looked at it from a point, because I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that are like, look down at that kind of thing.
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Oh yeah, I'm sure Like what, if you just looked at it from a point of view of it's actually harmless fun yeah, dressing up like your hero, or whatever the case and why it also promotes.
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Maybe creativity and imagination.
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Yeah, of course, yeah for sure.
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Like a lot of these, like these serious cosplayers I've seen actually uh videos that they make their own costumes.
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They are like they work like for weeks, sometimes months on, like a costume to be able to like.
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Some of them are out of this world.
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Unbelievable.
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So I have to say it's almost in a way, like a business.
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Oh yeah, Look at me, I'm business minded.
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It's definitely a business, though.
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Yeah, it has to be.
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There's no question about it.
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It, I mean you can get all sorts of you know made costumes, or a gun or a sword.
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That's a certain way, and you know you modify the details, but everything yeah crazy it's like real life models in the sense of like a model you know that you build together.
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It's a real life model yeah so yeah, exactly okay.
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So weekly what if?
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weekly what if?
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what if a fandom formed around you?
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So there's a fan art of you, fan fiction.
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You know someone's shipping you with your barista.
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Another person has a theory that your most recent Instagram story proves you're in a redemption arc.
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That's hilarious actually.
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So what?
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How would you handle that kind of attention?
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Like in the sense of like, I'm a celebrity, basically.
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Yeah, like you have fans, like legit fans.
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How would you handle that?
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And on a more fun spin, what?
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would your fandom be called?
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I have no idea.
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I have no idea what they would be called.
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I'm not that artistic, but I can tell you this I think I would be If I, if if I had these fans and they were like oh my gosh, we love you and so-and-so movies, or whatever, I think I would be that guy.
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You know that that makes sure I stop to every.
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I know it'll be.
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You know a lot, but stops and takes the time to.
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You know, have every, because some people you know a lot but stops and takes the time to.
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You know, have every because some people you know they they're so, you know, infatuated with that and it's like it.
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All it takes is just you know one second for that celebrity to be like hi, you know, or whatever, and it's like oh, you know, it makes their day.
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And you know, you see it all the time.
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You know I, I get it.
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They get picked and prodded non-stop, you know so I can't relate, but but you know, I, I feel like you know there are some celebrities out there that are a little bit more like conscious of that and so they kind of give, give, give yeah you know, like the rock Dwayne Johnson, I mean, you know they're doing tourist bus and he'll come with his car and park in front of the tourists and wave and sign.
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You know, like there's just something about that see, I think, I think it has my.
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My perception of it is that it's the level of gratitude.
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Yeah.
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When, like taking Dwayne Johnson as an example, he it's well known, he started from nothing, yeah Right, and even going into WrestleMania WrestleMania, sorry, wrestling yeah at WrestleMania sorry, wrestling, yeah, uh, he he like the fans are what build you up, right?
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Yeah.
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So, in essence, the idea that you are nothing without your fans is true.
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Yeah it is so the he started, like I think he.
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He started in wrestling.
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I don't think he was doing anything before that.
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Once he was in wrestling and kind of built up his, then he went into movies and stuff like that.
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He was in pro football until he uh.
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Right Until he got injured or something.
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Well then he got cut.
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Oh, okay, he got cut.
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And then, uh, you know life, dream, life was over Right or like speaking of wrestling, look at the John Cena.
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Same thing, right.
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The fans are what?
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And his philosophy is also the same thing, right.
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You always see him signing for fans and taking pictures and stuff like that Flip side.
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You have some actors, maybe musicians too, that are the opposite.
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It's like I'm not on the clock, so to speak, right now right how dare you come to my table where I'm eating with my kids and now I get it?
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Yeah, because there are many fans and many people out there that take it way too far sometimes.
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For sure.
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I get it.
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I personally, like I've seen somebody, like a famous person having dinner with friends and I just I'm just like so starstruck that I'm just like, oh my God.
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Like you know, like from the side and I never.
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I never approached him, a because I'm just too like my God, but also because I'm aware that he's he's there with.
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You know what I mean.
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Yeah.
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I don't know it's such a double-edged sword.
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I can see both sides.
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I can see both sides from their angle and I can also see both sides from the fans angle.
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It's true, you know so I don't know it's, it's, but it's interesting it's.
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It's just interesting that whole like world you know yeah, so I think that's how I would technically handle the attention okay you know and, in that regard, um would you, would they get it right or completely miss who you are?
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I think.
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Look at Taylor Swift.
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I think the amount of dissection in her life, the Easter eggs and this and that Could they get it wrong.
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Do they always get it right?
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Come on, there's got to be something that could get wrong you know what I mean.
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I think there's a lot more wrong than right in a's what I'm saying a lot of the celebrity world, exactly, you know, exactly I mean look at like tmz and you know like god and like what are they?
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What are they saying?
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Like, is anything said that's truthful?
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yeah or is it all just a money grab to like sell, fucking?
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yeah, and some of the celebrities get so ticked off, like with tmz, oh my gosh, because those guys are.
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See the justin bieber one recently that you know him, I I really feel bad for him, you know, because he, he just is getting like I mean, imagine, starting out, like we know, because we've talked about this in the past, that your brain really only is fully developed in your fucking 20s, early 20s, right yeah, this kid started at 12.
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I know.
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Okay, growing up in this fucking nonsense and when you know I think about I'm kind of jumping all over the place but I think about sometimes, about like, oh, you know, like I'd love to do like a podcast with the kids or like, or you know, to be like one of those like YouTube families that, like you know, goes around recording their days and stuff.
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Do I, let's say, you hit that level of of where you're getting paid and you're getting millions of views on your, on your thing?
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Do you want, really want, to be into that kind of a fucking scrutiny every day?
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Well, you know, there was actually, I think, something on Netflix.
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Yes, kid fluencing.
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Yeah.
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There's been a couple of different and, like the parents almost have to treat their kids like employees at that point.
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Yeah, it's pretty bad.
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It's pretty bad.
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But you've heard, like the Ruby Frankie story, right?
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Yeah.
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And stuff like that.
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Anyways, I'm going totally off topic, but it just kind of lets you remind you of like, or makes you think about, what you would be willing to go through for that level of fame and money, and is it even really worth it?
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I don't know about that I know, part of me is like I think I'll just stay in my nook and have my coffee and do my little art with my kids.
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Okay, so there's different kinds of fandoms right.
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There's TV.
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There's movies, music, gaming.
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Yeah, right, I will be very honest and say I know very little about all of them, especially gaming.
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But let's start with TV.
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Okay.
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Are there any TV-like shows that really spark longevity?
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First thing that comes to my mind is Gilmore Girls.
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Oh my gosh Right, the fans for Gilmore Girls.
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That show was like 20 years ago.
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Yeah.
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And it's coming back, friends.
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Yeah.
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Seinfeld.
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Walking Dead.
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Walking Dead, game of Thrones, you know.
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So there's tons that have fandom, old and new.
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Yeah, dead Boy Detectives I loved.
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I've never heard old and new yeah, dead boy detectives.
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I love that one.
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Oh my gosh, you should know.
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No, not not exactly new, new, but dead boy detectives, uh, it's a comic okay, but they made a real movie out of it, a real tv show out of it.
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But um, if I'm not mistaken, I have to double check.
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I hope they're renewing.
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I don't know if they're renewing for second season.
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That's sad, you know some of these ones did you watch?
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uh, like, for example, chaos k-a-o-s.
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Oh my gosh, it was the best.
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They canceled it after the first season.
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I really don't know why.
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The actors super hot shot celebrity actors and it was so good.
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Yeah, oh my gosh, it was the best.
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I loved it.
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It was the most hilarious religion-based TV show ever, I'm telling you.
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So here's a question to you TV shows.
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Are there any series that you've watched several times over the years?
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Yes.
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Name one.
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I can't Okay I have such a bad memory.
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Take a look, stranger Things, supernatural.
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So it was the Walking Dead for sure.
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I've watched that two or three times.
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The Boys.
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You know what?
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I haven't even finished the third season.
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I haven't either, but I was into that.
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Oh, Breaking Bad.
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But that you've re-watched.
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For me it was Supernatural.
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The one I re-watched, at least on this list, was Avatar the Last Airbender.
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Okay yeah, I loved that one.
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Yeah, that was a good one.
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Yeah, For me it was supernatural.
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Oh, were we watching Buffy?
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No way.
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Buffy, the Vampire Slayer and Angel in sequence, like we're going back and forth.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah, because we wanted Riley to experience it.
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That's awesome.
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And Grayson's got into it now, so it's pretty good.
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Yeah, so love those ones.
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Clearly I have a niche.
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It's like dark creepy it's great, whatever.
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What about movies?
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Any movies that stick out to you Star.
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Wars.
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Okay, so what do you think about the fandom for Star Wars?
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Well, I mean, they're hardcore.
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What's one of the things that they like?
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What's their shtick?
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Well, just, you know definitely um the cosplay and stuff.
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Okay, like when they go to these events, like some of them are like decked out, like they look like a real stormtrooper really you know, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah like real stormtrooper.
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Like they're they.
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They go all out.
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Some, like you know, they have darth vader.
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Like the, the voice even sounds like darth vader.
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They have like the, the lightsaber looks real.
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Oh yeah, they go so do they.
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So they, they must be like really super in depth with every single movie, like maybe inconsistencies they'll point out stuff like that.
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I'm sure they huddle at these events and they have group talks and they're, you know, arguing about.
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You know what chip is in the lightsaber?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Shit.
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For us in our house.
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It's Marvel.
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Marvel's a big one.
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The comic books James is huge on that.
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I'm just along for the ride.
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I enjoy a lot of them.
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But to ask me what the comics did and the differences in costumes and stuff like that, I'm like right over there, but James is into that and obviously by default, riley is into that and Grayson is getting into it, so that's a big thing for us.
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Marvel cool I'm really into Daredevil, is into that and Grayson is getting into it, so that's a big thing for us.
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Marvel, cool.
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Yeah, I'm really into Daredevil.
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Have you started, have you?
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I didn't watch Daredevil.
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I always loved the Supermans and I'd say that I was definitely a huge fan of oh my gosh, a huge fan.
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I can't even remember their names guardians of the galaxy.
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Yeah, thank you love those guys, I love those guys guardians of the galaxy.
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Yeah, those are fun, those are good ones, yeah, um, okay.
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So music we've kind of touched on that a little bit with the Swifties.
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Me, I'm very deep into, like the indie rap.
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Okay, indie rap.
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Yeah, oh, geez, I was going to say indie music or indie folk.
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