April 2, 2025
No Chill #13: Touch Grass, Save Your Brain: Our Wild Outdoor Confessions
We explore our complicated relationship with the outdoors, sharing personal stories about camping, swimming fears, and the surprising psychological benefits of reconnecting with nature.
• Weekly “What If”: Could we survive a week completely offline in the wilderness?
• Josh reveals he doesn’t know how to swim—and how that shaped his childhood
• Stories from Spartan races, Mud Girl competitions, and pushing past comfort zones
• Debate: Do humans still have survival instincts, or are we too far gone?
• Hot takes like “the ocean is terrifying” and “hiking is just walking with extra effort”
• This-or-that game with survival-style choices like “sunrise hike or midnight campfire”
• Scientific fact: 10 seconds of birdsong can increase serotonin
• Why even 5 minutes outside can boost your mental and physical health
🎧 Challenge: Step outside for at least five minutes today—even if it’s just to listen. It’s good for your brain.
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00:28 - The Weekly "What If" Question
03:35 - Swimming Fears and Water Stories
07:30 - Outdoor Experiences and Survival Skills
14:24 - Nature Hot Takes
16:08 - Outdoor This or That
21:51 - Bird Chirps and Final Challenge
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So when's the last time that you like actually were outside, like spent time outside?
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Like yesterday.
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Oh shit, what am I saying?
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It wasn't yesterday, it was like the day before, it was before this, because obviously it snowed yesterday again.
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Yeah, I know.
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You know, but the other day it was so nice.
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It was.
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It was so nice that I actually put away the winter things.
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Me too that I actually put away the winter things.
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Yeah, me too.
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And then I realized, when I woke up the next morning and it was snowing.
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I was like well, shit, yeah.
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So let's start off with our weekly what if yes.
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Are you ready for this one?
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I'm ready.
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Okay, you go first.
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So the question is what if you had to spend a full week completely offline living in nature, but there's like no phone, no tech, just the outdoors?
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Would you thrive?
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Would you just survive?
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Like what?
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How would you feel?
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I think I would feel pretty good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there's something about wanting to disconnect Like this is under the impression I don't have to think about my business or anything.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, fuck all that shit.
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Or even like just like a week and like a week off, kind of thing, right, yeah, yeah, I would thrive.
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I would thrive you, you would thrive, no.
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So here's the thing.
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Outdoors only, ooh, there's like lots of bugs.
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Well, I mean you have a tent and stuff.
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Okay, yeah, like.
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I like the concept of outdoors Okay.
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There's people who love it.
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There's probably people who, no, like it's not happening.
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Yeah, probably people who know.
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Like it's not happening, yeah, the one kind of outdoorsy thing that I can't do that people do just because we're on the topic is, like you know, the antarctic outdoorsy people, the ones who will have the pitch, the tent on a mountain with like minus 40 and stuff like okay, yeah, that's extreme like that's like, like those I don't know how those guys do it because of the weather yeah, it's the.
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It's because of the cold.
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Okay, I totally agree with that.
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Anything with the cold I'm like no, no Indoors for me.
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But here's the thing I want to clarify that the weekly would have questions said like outdoors, right, and would I thrive in that.
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Everything else about it, like the no tech, the just relaxing, disconnecting, I'm there for it If it was like a glamping experience where it's not necessarily like.
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Maybe you're in a cabin in the woods somewhere.
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Okay.
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That I would be like.
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Yes, sign me up.
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But the pitching of the tent and the fucking cooking hot dogs on tree branches and shit, Not for me.
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Not for me.
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Oh, you can take a harpoon and try to catch a fish.
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Yeah, no, oh my God.
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Okay.
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So, josh, let's talk a little bit about some of this outdoorsy stuff.
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Okay, I want to figure out where we stand with this.
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Now that the weather is coming up, maybe we might plan something this summer.
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Who knows?
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Oh yeah, all of us.
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Maybe, who knows?
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Let's do it, so let's see.
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Okay, so how about I go first here?
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I'll ask you a question.
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Okay, If you could only spend time in one outdoor environment like mountains, beach, forest, desert for the rest of your life, which one would you pick?
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Beach hands down.
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Yeah, I mean.
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Just warmer weather, the sound of the waves.
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Are you a big swimmer?
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Fuck, no, I don't know how to swim actually, so I'd have to bring James who's lifeguard status.
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Wait, what do you mean?
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you don't know how to swim, the sound of the waves?
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Are you a big swimmer?
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Fuck, no, I don't know how to swim actually, so I'd have to bring James, who's lifeguard?
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status.
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Wait, what do you mean?
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You don't know how to swim.
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I've been telling everyone you know how to swim.
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Why?
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When does that come up in your conversations?
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It's a stupid analogy I use with dog training.
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I'm serious.
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Are you serious?
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Yeah, even though, even though Well like I mean I can stay afloat, but if I was ever in like a breaststroke competition, I'd fucking lose.
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You know what I mean?
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Okay, so you can float, I can float.
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I can do the dog paddle, I can like, I can't float.
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Oh, so you really can't swim.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Like, if I'm in the water it's kind of because, yeah, um one time, because the kids are like fish, right, they were swimming so far out on the beach and like the waves and everything, and like I felt so helpless, you know way, you know and, and I was just yelling at them, you know I was like, get your over here.
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You know like, and you know I'm just standing there right like like, uh, oh man, I can't, can't.
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The only time that I'm assuming, I hope that I would, just, I don't give a shit kind of behavior is if, like, my kid fell off a boat or something Like, I'm pretty sure I would jump right in.
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You know Like I feel, like I would.
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I hope my instinct would you know, yeah, yeah and shit, I hope I save him and not just drown with him.
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I think it's something I need to really kind of do, especially if I'm going to be going on vacations, let's say.
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Or you know like I need to get over this, yeah, I need to float.
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But you say, get over this.
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But it's not a fear of water, it's just you just don't know how to swim.
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Yeah, but that makes it fearful for me.
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Oh, okay, okay, so it's turned into a fear well, if you threw, if you were like josh, we're gonna throw you into the water no, okay at the deepest point, I'd be like uh well, what do you mean?
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I'm gonna die, yeah I get it.
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I get it actually, like the, even just in pools on the deep end.
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Oh, there's this, this thing in your throat where you're just the only way it's a little safe.
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My feet need to touch the bottom, you know.
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The only way I can do it is if I'm holding on and then I push off and I swim as shitty as it looks, and then I get to the other side and then I hold on.
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Yeah.
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That's the only way I'm going to be able to do it.
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Yeah, that's the only way I'm going to be able to do it.
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Yeah, I remember so many missed opportunities when I was young because I couldn't swim and I wouldn't tell whoever like, hey, we're going to go to the water slides, and I'd be like, oh, that's cool.
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And it's like, why don't you come?
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Like no, no, thanks, I don't like water slides, but you know.
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But the reality was that I would.
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I think it would be so much fun, but I would have this fear of some of the water slides.
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Some of the water, when you hit the end is deep, and so I would be like, no, I'm not taking that risk.
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That's a FOMO moment.
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Yeah, I guess.
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So yeah, actually it is Now I could really give a shit.
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But yes, you're right, when I was a kid, like, I remember those missed opportunities, so I don't want them to have that.
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What's the most outdoorsy thing you've ever done, and did you actually enjoy it?
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Probably the most outdoorsy thing I've done, probably the Spartan races.
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You know I did a lot of them.
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Okay.
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I did a lot of them so I'd say that that's probably uh, it was kind of part of my whole vegan vibe, you know.
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And did you enjoy?
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It?
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Fuck, no, no, I'm kidding.
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I mean, you know, you, you love and hate it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's, it's 30 burpees.
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Every obstacle failed, right, and uh, you're going up a mountain, right, basically, while doing obstacles and climbing rope and 10 foot walls and all sorts of shit, but.
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But oh man, there's nothing like that feeling when you finish.
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Yeah.
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Especially that meal, the meal afterwards.
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Whatever you're're eating, whether it's pizza or whatever, oh man, it just it's.
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Uh, it hits different that's good, so I'd say that that's probably like a big one.
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Yeah, that's probably the biggest thing I've done I did because I've never done any camping.
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No, no, have you yeah have you really?
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Yeah, shit, I, I can, and it wasn't glamping, what do you mean?
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It was like a legit camping experience.
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We'll get into it Like shit in a bush.
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Oh, like you have no idea, you have no fucking idea.
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It was disgusting.
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I would never do it again.
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Oh my gosh yeah.
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What about you?
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Well, you know what To piggyback off of your spartan race?
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I did the mud girl race oh, did you years ago.
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Yeah, I never knew that two, two or three years ago with uh where the hell's the pictures?
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They're on my insta oh, are they?
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yeah, oh shit, are we following each other?
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okay, that just goes to show you how not on social media you are right very often, um, but yeah, like, and it was, I was terrified, wasn't sure what to expect, but you did it but I did it and got your metal felt fucking good yeah fuck, yeah, man, good job, good job it was it was really awesome actually doesn't it feel empowering it?
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It does, it does.
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That's why I got addicted to it.
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You know, I did the 5K, I did the 10K, I was supposed to do the Beast and then I fell off, which is like 21K.
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It's like a half marathon.
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Oh, wow, yeah, it's like how many obstacles, my God.
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I don't know.
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Do you think humans are built for survival or have we lost our instincts?
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I think both.
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Actually I think we are built for survival.
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Clearly we came from cavemen right, but over the centuries we've lost our instincts.
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Yeah, because we're comfortable now.
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Yeah, I kind of have to say those survivalists that live out in the woods, what's the word off the grid?
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Yeah.
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I have a deep admiration for that.
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Well, yeah, I really do, I wouldn't do it but I have deep admiration for it.
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I mean, it's a whole skill set.
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It's unbelievable.
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But think of the strength, speaking of empowerment, the strength and empowerment that one would have by having these skills and knowing that, no matter where you were you could survive it.
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So if you had to live in the wild for a year but could bring three modern conveniences, what would they be?
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Okay, I'd probably bring an oven.
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Oh well, no, I could make fires and all that stuff you could.
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How would you keep your stuff cold, though I'd make?
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fires and all that stuff you could.
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How would you keep your stuff cold, though I'd bring a fridge?
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What stuff Like you're not going to have ketchup and mayo.
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Oh, that's true.
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Or milk.
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Where are you going to get milk?
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You're going to be milking a fucking cow.
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You're going to find a cow in the wild.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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You think cows are just walking in the wild?
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Well then, how the fuck are you going to survive for a year?
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Definitely not by drinking milk.
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Oh shit, I don't know, man, I don't know, this is hard.
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Three conveniences, I mean, I guess, I guess.
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Oh, like I'd bring like one of those insane like archer bow things, like the new ones.
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Okay.
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Like Daryl, you know, like from fucking Walking Dead.
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Okay, this bow and arrow thing there.
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I'd bring one of those crossbow things so that, like I could just kill the animals, you know, and stuff.
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Okay, fine, crossbow phone, maybe gps, like okay, I've been here, you know, just oh, some kind of water recycling thing where I can just place it in like the rain and then I get fresh water.
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Look at you, damn huh, smart guy survivalist in making.
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I would survive, no matter what.
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All right.
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How about if a reality show like Survivor forced you to live outside for a month?
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How would you actually do One whole month outside, 30 days, no shelter?
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I think you would find me under a tree begging for mommy.
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Did you have like the little soccer ball with the painted face?
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Yeah, wilson, oh fuck, no, I I'd like to think that I would do what I needed to do.
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I don't think it would be a fun experience and I don't think I would ever want to do it again and I think I would walk away with some form of trauma.
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But I think I could do it.
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Cool, I mean just the fact that you think you could do it.
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I mean that's huge Right.
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Yeah, you know what it's not, but you know what it is.
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It's not about living out in the in the wilderness for a month, it's about the food supply.
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The idea of eating a bug or skinning a snake, that kind of shit just uber creeps me out.
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So that is what I have the most problems with, but anyway, okay.
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So, josh, now we're going to move on to hot takes.
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Let's do it Okay, so let me start us off this time.
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Nature is great until you remember bugs exist.
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Oh my gosh.
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Yes, yes indeed.
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Bees are cool, but wasps are just nature's gangsters.
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That's true.
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Have you ever been stung by a wasp?
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That shit's not fun.
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No, hiking is just walking with extra effort.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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You are not really one with nature if you bring a Bluetooth speaker.
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What does it take to be one with nature?
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I mean, I think, Does that mean you?
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Have to go all in.
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Yeah.
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So you can't be sitting outside with your cup of coffee, listening to some soft music and enjoying the environment?
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That's not being one with nature.
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No, apparently not.
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Okay, you have to hear the birds chirp.
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That's it.
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That's not being one with nature, no, apparently not Okay.
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You have to hear the birds chirp.
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That's it, that's all.
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Okay, this one is for you, Josh.
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The ocean is terrifying and we should all respect it more.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, yeah, people who live off the grid actually just live on a smaller grid.
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Yeah, okay, okay, the grid actually just live on a smaller grid.
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Yeah, okay, okay.
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National parks are cool until you realize they have no self-service.
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Yeah, oh my gosh.
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