March 19, 2025

No Chill #11: The Art of Leisure: Exploring Personal Passions and Creative Outlets

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Season 1 Sibling Podcast Mental Health Leisure

What transforms a simple activity into a meaningful hobby? Is it the joy of creation, the thrill of skill-building, or perhaps the escape it provides from everyday pressures? 

In this thought-provoking episode, we peel back the layers on what makes our favorite pastimes so essential to our wellbeing and identity. Josh opens up about his newfound passion for collecting Dragon Ball Z cards alongside his son's One Piece collection, while I've rediscovered the simple pleasure of drawing—both for myself and as quality time with my kids. These personal connections set the stage for a deeper conversation about what fuels our leisure pursuits.

We tackle some fascinating questions: Does a hobby need to involve skill development, or is pure enjoyment enough? When does a healthy interest cross the line into unhealthy escapism? Should certain activities remain sacred spaces for enjoyment rather than being monetized? Josh shares vulnerably about how gaming once served as his primary coping mechanism during difficult times, highlighting the complex psychology behind what draws us to certain activities.

What surprised us most was realizing how our perception of other people's hobbies has evolved with age. Things we might have dismissed in our twenties—like collecting colognes or maintaining extensive movie libraries—now fascinate us. This growing appreciation reflects a broader maturity that comes with life experience.

Whether you're passionate about creative expression, skill-building, or simply finding moments of peace in a chaotic world, this conversation will inspire you to reflect on the activities that bring meaning to your life beyond work and responsibilities. Share your own hobby journey in the comments, and subscribe for new episodes every Thursday!

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00:28 - Introduction to Brother, Sister, Whatever

00:37 - Recent Hobby Discoveries

03:31 - Defining What Makes a Hobby

08:43 - What If You Could Keep Just One?

15:35 - Creative Expression Through Hobbies

24:32 - Escapism vs. Healthy Engagement

33:03 - Mental Health Benefits of Hobbies

51:18 - Collecting and Expensive Hobby Debates

57:40 - Appreciating Other People's Interests

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Welcome to Brother, sister, whatever where real talk meets zero chill.

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I'm Lisa.

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And I'm Josh Subscribe so you don't miss the chaos and let's dive in.

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All right Hobbies.

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Hobbies.

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What's a recent hobby that you've?

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A recent hobby.

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Oh, I just just just started collecting Dragon Ball Z cards.

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Okay.

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And my son is doing One Piece, so we're kind of collecting together.

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What's One Piece?

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One Piece.

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It's an anime there.

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Oh, it's a okay.

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The Pirates there.

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I'm sure your kids have watched it, I don't know.

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There's even a real show of it on Netflix now.

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Really One Piece, it's really good.

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I actually watched the show Okay.

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I'll have to check it out, jet is obsessed the anime.

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there's like 700 episodes or something.

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He's on like 576.

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How long are they?

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How long are the episodes like?

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Probably 20, 30 minutes.

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Oh, okay, wow, that's dedication.

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Yeah, he loves it.

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So, okay, cool For me it's um, that's one of the hobbies I've been doing.

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Oh, you know what I've been doing lately with the kids?

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What Drawing.

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Oh, no way.

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Like art.

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I used to take art in high school.

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I'm like drawing and stuff like that and I I really I don't know.

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It's kind of peaceful and nice, but I wanted to also do something with the kids, Kind of like make it a twofer, but yeah, it's really fun.

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We found this Art for Kids hub on YouTube channel.

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Oh cool.

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And I've been doing different things.

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That's awesome, yeah, so it's kind of fun.

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I like it.

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Speaking of art there, my kids, they go with their mom to the ceramic cafe.

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Like all the time they bring cups and all sorts of stuff.

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They bring their own stuff.

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I wonder if you can Sorry you bring home.

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They bring home stuff.

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I just forgot what you were saying.

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Yes, Sorry.

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I was like oh, you could bring your own cups, Because that would definitely save money.

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It's so expensive, is it?

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I don't know how much it is.

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It's like I don't think I've spent less than $100.

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Oh, my God.

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Because it's not just're you're buying the ceramic, but then you're also buying your time there, Right, and like the paints and all of that.

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Still, it's like, yeah, During the pandemic they had a, a, like a do it yourself at home kit that you could buy.

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It's been around for a while.

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Oh yeah, oh wow yeah.

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I didn't even know about it until very recent.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it's fun.

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It's fun.

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So hobbies, they aren't just like time fillers.

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They're how we explore creativity, unwind and sometimes even find our communities.

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Today, we're going to dig into the value of hobbies, why we pick them and how they shape our identities.

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Love it, so this is a fun one.

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Yeah, how would you define a hobby?

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Something I like to do.

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Okay, so enjoyment.

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Yeah.

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Do you think skill has anything to do with it?

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Yeah.

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But do you think you have to have skill in order to have a hobby?

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No, or enjoy a hobby.

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I think that's also part of it.

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You build the skills of the hobby you're into.

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Right you get better at it.

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Yeah.

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You know, what if you don't?

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Well then you suck, but you can still enjoy it.

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Yeah, you can still.

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You know, I mean, how many times do we hear stuff like that?

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I mean, I suck at it, but you know, I love doing it, yeah.

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Or, like I mentioned the other day, the last episode or something.

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I think it was like knitting I just want to knit and I can't seem to fucking get it.

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That'll probably be.

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If I stick with that.

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That'll probably be a hobby that's going to take me a while to get a skill at, that's for sure.

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Plus it takes forever just to do like the blankets and stuff.

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I know.

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I was just aiming for like a little handkerchief or something.

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Fallon got one made from her mom and it took a year.

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Wow, but it's nice.

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It's a nice big, big blanket.

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She knows how to knit.

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Yeah, I'm jealous, yeah, but I mean, you know, she just kind of started right and now she's really good at it yeah.

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Because she's been doing it for the whole year and now she just started Jets Blanket Nice.

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Let's start with our weekly what if?

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What if you could only keep one hobby for the rest of your life?

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What would it be and why Does fitness working out?

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Is that a hobby?

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Or is that like, because I feel like it's a necessity, but I also feel like it's a hobby, but I also feel like sometimes it's a pain in the ass.

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So, like, what do you define?

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Okay, so maybe it's different for everybody.

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Okay, so maybe it's different for everybody.

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But let's say, I think that going to the gym would not be a hobby.

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Would not be a hobby.

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Okay.

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What is it?

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that you do or that you're interested in there where it's like bodybuilding.

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Bodybuilding could be a hobby, okay.

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But that involves going to the gym.

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I don't know.

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I feel like going to the gym is a pretty.

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Can you think of another hobby?

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Well, because this is what I'm saying, like, if you're telling me you know the weekly what if is, you know if you can only pick one hobby, if, if, if working out is in that category, then obviously I'm going to pick that because I need to do it.

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But if you told me but that's the thing.

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Ah, ah, there, that's the word.

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Need to do it.

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Yeah, I need to do it.

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Okay, so it's not a need.

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Okay.

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It's a want, it's a desire.

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Yeah.

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So in that case then I would probably say the only other hobby that I really have is a little bit of gaming here and there.

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Okay.

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You know, like I mentioned the new hobby I just got into, right, you know.

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But but you wouldn't want to like.

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If you could only pick one hobby for the rest of your life, you probably wouldn't want to collect.

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I think it would be a little bit more entertainment-wise.

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Okay, Like the games, and you know PS5, or like you know, the computer.

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Okay, so gaming for you.

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Okay, that's cool.

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Yeah, if I could only pick one hobby, I'm going to stick with my art.

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I actually kind of really like it.

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Well, that's good, that's good.

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Yeah, I'm going to stick with or without the kids.

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That's good.

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Yeah, I'm going to stick with or without the kids, okay.

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I would stick with that drawing, Love it Drawing specifically.

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Yeah, Do you think that the social aspect is important with a hobby?

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Yes and no, I mean, I guess it depends on the hobby, right, yes and no, I mean, I guess it depends on the hobby right?

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Um, you know, in, in, in, in senses of of me gaming, right, it can go.

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It can go, you know, from the left to the right, because there are plenty of games where it's just solo yep, just you, just you, that's it, that's all.

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And then you have games that, like must be with other people.

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Right, like the online community games and stuff like that.

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Exactly so you can have the best of both worlds with that.

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You can have the best of both worlds, you know.

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So that's the great thing about that hobby, right, and I mean technically, most hobbies can go either way.

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Go either way, even reading books as hobbies.

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Yeah, you'd have a book club, exactly, yeah, yeah, it's true, it's true Same.

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Like, so for me, with the art or drawing, it would be like participating in an art class.

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Yeah.

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Would be the community or social aspect of it, or even just a community of like posting your art Right, of like posting your art Right, and then people like oh wow, I love it.

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You know?

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Yeah for sure.

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So let's break down the different aspects of hobbies.

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Okay, okay.

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So there's the creative expression, there's the skill building, the social connection and then the mental health benefits.

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So all of those things, okay, let's start with creative expression.

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How can they help us tap into creativity?

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Do you want to stick with your gaming or do you want to do a more broad?

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It'll depend on the category.

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Okay If I were to stick with art or drawing.

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I think that's pretty self-explanatory.

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I mean it is creativity it is creativity right.

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Yeah yeah, you can draw endless amount of things that exist or don't exist.

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You can make up your own.

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It could be abstract, it could be so.

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There's tons of creativity in that.

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Yeah, yeah, creativity in the games I think is more on the style of games that you kind of get into.

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You know.

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There's creativity in the sense that you know, if you get really good at that hobby you could even be like a coach or you can help other people, and so there's a lot of ways that I think creativity can come out of it.

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It can even create a business out of it, you know, in the sense of gaming.

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I mean, look how much Twitch streamers.

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So to me that's creative Going from man.

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I really like this game to like huh, I'm not bad, maybe people will like watching me.

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And then to me that's another form of art in many ways.

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Oh yeah, for sure, riley is also a gamer, loves playing games, and now he's into creating his own games oh wow, that's awesome you know writing his own stories and creating characters and all of that stuff, so it sparks creativity in him big time.

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I know it's huge it's insane some of the ideas this kids wow kids.

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Wow Kids have.

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Do you think?

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All hobbies have to be creative though.

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No.

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I don't think so either.

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I mean, you know, and I think it depends on where you go with that hobby.

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I mean, the first thing I think about is my dad, our dad.

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Yeah, you know, remember back in the day the little comics he used to make, and it was for no one, it was just for him.

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It was just for him and it was for, like the buddies at work and they'd laugh about it or whatever.

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But like fuck man, like dad could have.

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If he had even just an ounce of entrepreneurship, man he could have taken.

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I think he could have went far with that.

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You kidding me?

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Everything goes back to entrepreneurship for you.

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No, but it's true, you know, I think you could, I think he could have, like, literally made art for tattoo artists.

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I think he could have made a lot of things you know with, with how artistic he was.

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You know, I I did not get that fucking skill.

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No, Fuck, no man.

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But, you know I make stick, men that's as far as I go.

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Yeah, but we kind of discussed a little bit like you don't necessarily need the skill, but the more that you do it.

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Yeah, it doesn't interest me though.

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Okay, but that's the thing right.

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So, therein lies the problem or difference whatever.

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But like that is something that was creative, yeah, and a big hobby in some ways of his um.

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But again, it's just that to the point of what you were saying.

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you know, it's like some people it's like I'm fine with just doing that and then that's it, that's all, like I don't want to turn into a business right how many people or at least I hear that often because because again, always in the entrepreneurship mindset there but someone will make like crazy good cookies or something you know.

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I'll be like holy shit, I'm like you should fucking open up a goddamn bakery or something you know, and it's like, ah, but then it won't be fun.

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You know, and, and and I guess you could look at that in any aspect you could be doing your art and you love it, and then you turn it into a business and then all of a sudden you're like, oh fuck, I have to do it now.

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So there's a difference from having to and wanting to.

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Same thing with streamers streamers have to go on and fucking stream well, if they want it to be successful and do something.

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Exactly.

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I'm sure there's tons of streamers or people that post, who are like hobbyists in a sense, where it's like I go on once a month and I stream.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Of course yeah.

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One person's following them.

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But yeah, that's okay, just like us, yeah, just like us, yeah, just like us.

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We have one follower, I think, right.

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No, I think we're at three now.

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Oh shit, Okay Guys, did you hear that?

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Three followers.

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Please spread the word.

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Do all okay, so do all the hobbies need to be creative?

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I'm trying to actually think of a hobby that's not necessarily creative, Like reading a book is considered a hobby, but you can't really be creative with that, could you Not really?

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I don't know.

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Couldn't we argue that reading a book or sorry, the hobby is reading?

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Couldn't we say that the mind must be creative, like the person's mind must be creative.

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I feel like people who read you know, I find them so fucking intelligent and like those art people who do, like the crazy, like you know, the big, you know, and it's like all just like blobs of paint everywhere.

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It's just like wow, like you know, they're so smart, you know, they're so intelligent, you know.

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Well, they're tapping into a part of their brain.

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That's it.

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The creative, the creative, that's it right.

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So, like these people that read books I don't know man, I don't know if we could just count them out, because I feel like a lot of these people who, especially, read a lot, like it's their hobby, fuck man, are they ever intelligent?

00:14:07.067 --> 00:14:10.427
Like I find that their brain is just like something else.

00:14:10.427 --> 00:14:14.849
So I don't know, I feel like that's considered creativity.

00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:24.754
So what you're saying then and correct me if I'm wrong is that essentially, it's the person that's doing the hobby, as opposed to just the hobby.

00:14:25.274 --> 00:14:25.434
Right.

00:14:26.460 --> 00:14:36.413
So like the brain of the person doing the hobby, whether they're tapped into their creativity or their whatever then therefore makes the hobby creative or not creative.

00:14:36.673 --> 00:14:37.153
Exactly.

00:14:37.254 --> 00:14:42.725
Okay, okay, skill building Learning a new skill versus enjoying the process.

00:14:44.028 --> 00:14:44.850
Well, you can do both.

00:14:45.932 --> 00:14:46.153
Yeah.

00:14:46.714 --> 00:14:46.953
Right.

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Is the goal of a hobby to get better at it.

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No Right.

00:14:52.071 --> 00:14:53.312
No, I don't think so.

00:14:53.312 --> 00:14:55.928
I think the goal of the hobby is to Love it.

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Love it, but also to it has to respond to whatever it is that you are seeking.

00:15:01.466 --> 00:15:10.072
Yeah, in a way that feeling of finishing something, that feeling of comfort, the feeling, of.

00:15:10.092 --> 00:15:12.158
there's plenty of feelings.

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I feel like that can get mixed up, though.

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What do you mean?

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Plenty of feelings, I feel like that can get mixed up though.

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What do you mean?

00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:23.653
I feel like that can get mixed up with escape, and escape could be good, but escape can also be very bad.

00:15:24.153 --> 00:15:24.534
Yeah.

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Give me an example my hobby, the games.

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Oh, I will go to another universe in my head, and it's because I'm trying to escape reality.

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And so you know, there's, I think, a fine line between this is a hobby and this is something you love versus like just trying to escape my reality just trying to escape reality, where it's like you almost are consumed by it.

00:15:56.714 --> 00:15:59.804
And I think you know some hobbies.

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People are consumed by them, you know, and for sure, especially in my younger years, that was definitely me, you know, and so yeah, I remember that you kind of mix hobby and you know, or at least you could be mixing.

00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:19.604
Okay, like what?

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If you suck at your hobby, should you stick to it?

00:16:24.660 --> 00:16:26.706
Again, I think if you love it, you're going to stick to it.

00:16:26.787 --> 00:16:27.087
Yeah.

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You know, how hobbies can bring people together.

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There's the social connection.

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Have you made friends through a hobby?

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There you go.

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For sure.

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Online friends right connection.

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Have you made friends through a hobby?

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There you go for sure.

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Online friends right.

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I remember when we were younger you were really, really, really into what was it ultima online oh my god, yeah at the time, yeah, and it was like you were always in your room yeah, I got so freaking good at that game.

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Yeah, and now, like my gaming experience is really just like you know half an hour, 45 minutes of call of duty on PS5.

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Yeah.

00:17:01.413 --> 00:17:12.006
And now it's and it actually has nothing to do with social interaction anymore, because I don't talk to anyone, I just go on, I shoot people and then, you know, I go on with my day.

00:17:12.006 --> 00:17:16.373
Yeah, now I'm really hyper focused on all the other things in life.

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Do you think that your hobbies, or the way or the amount of the way that you have hobbies, the amount of time you put into your hobbies, has changed since kids?

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For sure.

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Of course, right, I think.

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I think that's kind of inevitable.

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For sure, but also I feel like the hobby slash addiction has changed altogether because I stopped.

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Because you have different priorities, Different priorities you know, but like an addiction is an addiction right Like you can have kids and still be addicted to fucking coke.

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You know what I mean though.

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So like the addiction is still there if I allow it to take over right, like if I, if I do the drug very easily, easy to like, get back into that kind of exactly and I don't, I don't.

00:18:08.307 --> 00:18:13.221
You know I don't, because I've always said that I have a very addictive personality.

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You know, I I play my little Call of Duty.

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I've somehow managed to control PS5.

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You know what I mean?

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Yep, it's like I have control PC online community, that's your spot.

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That's where I get trapped.

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I think it's something to do with my shitty life in my mind at the time and how it made me just feel incredible Escapism.

00:18:48.115 --> 00:18:55.301
Yeah, exactly, and I think that that's a very dangerous place to be.

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It's something that I think about Jet often, you know, because Jet can be misunderstood and he has a hobby, like me, which is the games, and he's really good at them.

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So again, him kind of going into that place.

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But we have to have a few conversations when he starts getting into computers you know, but yeah, and I don't want to, you know, not allow him to do those things.

00:19:25.765 --> 00:19:34.086
I just want him to kind of because I didn't know those things, like I didn't know that, I didn't know that it was taking me away.

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You know, you only know that now because of, well, you know, self-help and realizing what that actually did, and you start noticing that everything has a connection to why, versus when you're young, you're just like, yeah, I love it.

00:19:51.548 --> 00:20:06.192
You know, like it's just something I love, yeah, so yeah, yeah, I think that I can understand that, though, like that form of escapism, and how it can be very addicting.

00:20:06.192 --> 00:20:11.069
Like I loved reading books.

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I was always reading books as a kid and it was like I was in the book.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, and I was living with these characters and living these stories with like one could you know.

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One could say, oh, you have imagination or whatever, and yeah, I'm sure that's part of it too.

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But there's like a very fine line sometimes you know, between wanting to like or sorry, between enjoying a book or enjoying an activity or whatever it is.

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Yeah.

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And having it like consume and almost become, in a way, like your reality.

00:20:52.534 --> 00:20:56.426
It's really, yeah, not every hobby can do that.

00:20:56.426 --> 00:21:01.007
I don't know if knitting could do something like that, but yeah, there's some.

00:21:01.007 --> 00:21:03.913
There's like little tricky, tricky spots, I think.

00:21:03.913 --> 00:21:21.560
Yeah, so health benefits and how, like the role that hobbies play in, like relaxation and mindfulness, and has a hobby ever helped you through a tough time or can having too many?

00:21:21.601 --> 00:21:22.801
hobbies become overwhelming.

00:21:22.801 --> 00:21:26.845
I think that just coincides with what I just said about escape.

00:21:26.845 --> 00:21:29.106
Yeah, I think that, yeah.

00:21:29.248 --> 00:21:31.890
But it's not helping you through a tough time, it's just.

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You're coping, but theoretically that's helping.

00:21:33.771 --> 00:21:35.792
Yeah, you're coping, you're using it, but theoretically that's helping.

00:21:35.792 --> 00:21:37.115
Yeah, you're coping.

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You're using it as a coping mechanism.

00:21:38.715 --> 00:21:40.096
Maybe Exactly, Okay.

00:21:47.059 --> 00:21:49.298
So, and not saying that that's healthy, but just to say that like I guess it can technically go both ways.

00:21:49.298 --> 00:21:59.788
Yeah, you know, in that sense, and that's the difference, it's about figuring out that that good zone, right.

00:21:59.990 --> 00:22:00.211
Yeah.

00:22:00.560 --> 00:22:02.548
What about you when you are doing your art?

00:22:02.548 --> 00:22:04.545
What do you feel?

00:22:06.501 --> 00:22:07.928
It makes me feel relaxed.

00:22:07.928 --> 00:22:22.991
It taps in to a little bit of like that creative side of my brain which, for myself in particular, I feel like I haven't really dabbled in for a while, and it's nice to kind of.

00:22:31.779 --> 00:22:32.622
I feel almost like a freshness.

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Does that make sense?

00:22:33.123 --> 00:23:00.355
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean yeah, because you know I just got, even though they hurt as hell, um, but like I just got into massages and uh, you know, because of all the working out and everything, and that freshness that you're talking about, I'm just kind of comparing it because in the sense of like, not that it's a hobby, but just in the sense of like how you feel when you get out of a massage, or how you feel when you're using a stress ball, or how you feel like you know, like oh, okay, I played my game.

00:23:00.421 --> 00:23:01.007
Like I feel good.

00:23:01.007 --> 00:23:01.573
Okay, I played my game.

00:23:01.573 --> 00:23:03.425
Like I feel good, like I feel recharged.

00:23:03.700 --> 00:23:07.411
It's all little tools, almost to kind of like replenish you right, exactly yeah.

00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:08.522
So that's what you're saying.

00:23:08.522 --> 00:23:09.426
The art is doing.

00:23:09.527 --> 00:23:09.788
Yeah.

00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.248
It's kind of giving you this freshness.

00:23:12.307 --> 00:23:19.369
Yeah, and no matter what I'm doing in that creative headspace.

00:23:19.369 --> 00:23:22.601
So, like I'm saying right now, art, because that's one of my favorite things.

00:23:22.601 --> 00:23:36.054
But I've also done, you know, some little diamond painting kits or I've dabbled in, you know, writing, again like creative writing, short stories or poems, which I was like.

00:23:36.054 --> 00:23:41.685
It takes me back to a time when I was younger younger because I did all of those things when I was younger.

00:23:41.685 --> 00:23:59.542
So it makes me feel like, okay, I haven't lost all of these parts of myself that have kind of been dormant for a while, which makes that, in and of itself, makes me feel that spark, hobby hot takes.

00:23:59.542 --> 00:24:03.833
Should hobbies stay hobbies or is it cool to turn them into jobs?

00:24:07.452 --> 00:24:07.815
Yes or no?

00:24:08.300 --> 00:24:09.484
I think it's cool to turn them into jobs.

00:24:09.484 --> 00:24:14.730
Okay, I knew you would say that, Mr Entrepreneur over there, I'm going to say in the middle yes, no.

00:24:15.760 --> 00:24:16.846
You just said yes or no.

00:24:16.846 --> 00:24:21.267
You looked at me and you said yes or no, so you said I couldn't do the middle.

00:24:23.259 --> 00:24:23.500
Okay, fine.

00:24:23.520 --> 00:24:33.211
So I'm'm gonna say hobbies should stay hobbies okay, why do you think they should stay hobbies?

00:24:33.211 --> 00:24:35.036
Because of the enjoyment right?

00:24:35.056 --> 00:24:39.946
yes okay, let's, let's just have some things that are just purely for enjoyment.

00:24:39.946 --> 00:24:42.413
Going back to your point Sorry.

00:24:42.413 --> 00:24:57.069
No, but going back to your point about how your brain works and how okay you're doing these Dragon Ball Z cards and how you can't help but think about all of these things, right that in and of itself, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:24:57.069 --> 00:24:58.664
Have you done it?

00:24:58.664 --> 00:25:01.807
You're not going to act on every single thing.

00:25:01.807 --> 00:25:03.520
A thought is a thought, right?

00:25:03.520 --> 00:25:07.512
You're not going to act on every single hobby and make it a job.

00:25:08.676 --> 00:25:11.326
You might think about it, but that doesn't mean you're going to do it.

00:25:11.428 --> 00:25:12.211
I typically do.

00:25:12.491 --> 00:25:13.576
Oh, you're killing me.

00:25:13.576 --> 00:25:14.961
I'm trying to make a point here.

00:25:15.241 --> 00:25:16.726
My point is is that like?

00:25:16.726 --> 00:25:27.163
So you see my brain just automatically goes there automatically goes there.

00:25:27.182 --> 00:25:30.279
And so now it's like okay, I got, I bought one fricking pack of of Dragon Ball cards and I got one pack of my son's one piece cards that he wanted.

00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:34.010
And already I'm thinking like I wonder how much of these tournaments make.

00:25:34.010 --> 00:25:38.580
I don't even know how to play the fucking game yet, but I'm like I wonder if, like, they make a lot of money.

00:25:38.580 --> 00:25:40.545
You know, like, so you know, and I'm I'm like I wonder if they make a lot of money.

00:25:40.545 --> 00:25:45.253
You know, so you know, and I'm there asking chat, gpt, like what's the most expensive Dragon Ball card?

00:25:45.253 --> 00:25:47.748
You know what packs can I buy?

00:25:47.748 --> 00:25:50.904
But but, but, but you know, I'm so.

00:25:51.846 --> 00:25:52.488
My gosh.

00:25:52.508 --> 00:25:53.128
It's my brain.

00:25:53.388 --> 00:25:54.731
That's your brain, that's how it?

00:25:54.731 --> 00:25:59.462
Works, collecting, harmless fun, or just organized hoarding.

00:26:00.523 --> 00:26:02.227
I don't know how to describe that.

00:26:02.227 --> 00:26:06.992
I'm not good at organizing anything, so you're going to say harmless fun.

00:26:06.992 --> 00:26:08.213
Harmless fun.

00:26:08.494 --> 00:26:10.361
Okay, you.

00:26:12.483 --> 00:26:13.125
Are you a hoarder?

00:26:13.726 --> 00:26:18.192
No, I'm not a hoarder, but I look at that kind of a thing like collecting.

00:26:18.192 --> 00:26:20.095
Oh you know what?

00:26:20.095 --> 00:26:25.201
I can't do that Like teacups or something.

00:26:25.201 --> 00:26:26.365
I cannot do that because I collect some things.

00:26:26.365 --> 00:26:28.070
It's just coming to me now.

00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:29.422
What do you collect?

00:26:29.603 --> 00:26:37.805
Okay, you're going to laugh at me, but you see those little Spider-Man cases over there.

00:26:37.984 --> 00:26:38.266
Yeah.

00:26:38.686 --> 00:26:40.372
I used to collect the little beanies.

00:26:41.340 --> 00:26:41.622
Okay.

00:26:41.883 --> 00:26:44.830
Okay, and they're up there now collecting dust.

00:26:44.830 --> 00:26:59.066
Grayson I live vicariously through Grayson and we collect little mini squishmallow or like the little durables.

00:26:59.406 --> 00:27:02.739
Fallon man with the squishables, right Squishmallows, can we collect those?

00:27:02.739 --> 00:27:03.019
Oh my God.

00:27:03.619 --> 00:27:11.329
So I guess, because I would listen, my adult brain that was going to say it's organized hoarding.

00:27:11.329 --> 00:27:15.055
But I can't do that now, because now I'm calling myself a hoarder.

00:27:15.316 --> 00:27:15.635
You are.

00:27:16.760 --> 00:27:25.145
So I'm going to say harmless fun, okay, skill-based hobbies versus relaxing hobbies, which are better for mental health.

00:27:25.145 --> 00:27:28.946
I don't think there's a difference.

00:27:28.946 --> 00:27:31.647
I think it depends on the person.

00:27:32.221 --> 00:27:43.059
It 100% depends on the person, Because I know that I can play a game like Call of Duty and that relaxes me and I know and that Duty and that relaxes me.

00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.747
And I know, and that would do the opposite for me.

00:27:45.846 --> 00:27:48.179
Exactly the person next to me is like oh my God, that's so stressful.

00:27:48.179 --> 00:27:52.490
I just want to play my jewel game or whatever.

00:27:52.509 --> 00:27:53.792
Tetris or something yeah you know.

00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:58.309
So, yeah, it's definitely different, for sure, per person.

00:27:58.570 --> 00:28:02.710
Ooh, okay, this one Expensive hobbies worth the money or unnecessary?

00:28:03.641 --> 00:28:08.211
Well, I mean, the card thing that I'm just getting into right now is a lot of fucking money.

00:28:08.211 --> 00:28:10.567
I mean, those cards are not cheap.

00:28:10.567 --> 00:28:14.308
So you know, I guess it all depends.

00:28:14.711 --> 00:28:16.325
Yep, it depends on your means.

00:28:16.325 --> 00:28:29.170
I don't think it's necessary to have a hobby that is expensive, but if you do have one, then all the more power to you, good for you.

00:28:29.170 --> 00:28:32.734
And if you can afford it and you enjoy it, then who am I?

00:28:33.642 --> 00:28:35.508
And you know, I guess it's about perspective too.

00:28:35.508 --> 00:28:36.671
You know, because I just thought of it.

00:28:36.671 --> 00:28:43.468
It's like, okay, you know I'm complaining that the packs of cards are too expensive, but a video game is $90.

00:28:43.468 --> 00:28:49.751
Right, so I mean $90 can get you quite a bit of cards.

00:28:49.751 --> 00:28:52.125
So I guess it's about perspective.

00:28:52.406 --> 00:28:54.634
Yeah, at the end of the day and if you enjoy it.

00:28:54.855 --> 00:28:57.753
Yeah, because like how many games do I buy?

00:28:57.753 --> 00:28:58.579
I don't buy many.

00:28:58.579 --> 00:29:01.589
But then you know, now it's not even about buying the game.

00:29:01.589 --> 00:29:02.676
You games do I buy?

00:29:02.676 --> 00:29:02.614
I don't buy many.

00:29:02.614 --> 00:29:03.125
But then you know, now it's not even about buying the game.

00:29:03.125 --> 00:29:09.161
You buy the game, then it's the battle pass, it's the skins, it's all that other shit, you know that you want.

00:29:09.181 --> 00:29:10.226
That's so annoying.

00:29:10.941 --> 00:29:16.748
Well, it's annoying, but also it's something that, like, gamers, just thrive off of.

00:29:16.748 --> 00:29:17.964
You know they love it.

00:29:17.964 --> 00:29:19.601
They love it, Including me.

00:29:19.601 --> 00:29:27.010
So I guess, yeah, I guess, when you look at it like that card, you know I get a perspective, Perspective.

00:29:27.632 --> 00:29:31.621
See, okay, it's a little side note, brawl.

00:29:31.661 --> 00:29:31.761
Stars.

00:29:32.623 --> 00:29:37.530
Riley loves it, yeah, and actually they're always trying to get me.

00:29:37.530 --> 00:29:42.020
My kids are always trying to get me to play these games and I'm just like I don't't.

00:29:42.020 --> 00:29:45.248
But this one I actually find quite interesting.

00:29:45.248 --> 00:29:45.669
It's fun.

00:29:45.669 --> 00:29:49.022
So I play with him sometimes, but I'm clearly like level two.

00:29:49.022 --> 00:29:51.228
He's like level 400, you know, like whatever.

00:29:51.228 --> 00:30:03.800
They're always, uh, selling these like a brawl star passes and like exclusive skins and I'm just like who gives a shit what t-shirt you're wearing in your character on the iPad?

00:30:03.800 --> 00:30:04.644
You know what I mean?

00:30:04.644 --> 00:30:11.650
Yeah, I don't get it, but for him it's, it's a big deal, yeah, okay, is there a hobby trends that you just don't get?

00:30:12.152 --> 00:30:43.092
You know, I think if you asked me this 20 years ago, I would probably say yeah, a lot of stuff, um, but nowadays, like no, I I actually love finding out what people are into I do too you know like your husband is into colognes right yes, he collects colognes and see if, if you would have asked me about that when I was like 20, yeah, I'd be like like what, like why?

00:30:43.092 --> 00:30:44.555
Why would I collect colognes?

00:30:44.881 --> 00:30:51.760
but now I think it's so cool, you know like, well, when I, when I met him yeah, I didn't, I didn't understand it.

00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:53.904
I was just like wow, that's, that's interesting.

00:30:53.904 --> 00:31:11.069
But but now I actually appreciate it with him like, and he has such a there's something, this, this has a scent of cigars and oak wood and you're like okay, you know, like, wow, interesting.

00:31:11.069 --> 00:31:16.531
Like he just he has such a knowledge and appreciation for it that you can't help but appreciate it as well.

00:31:16.873 --> 00:31:21.680
Yeah, and that I'm into now way more as I got older.

00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:22.800
Remember Blockbuster?

00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:42.964
Yeah, you know, like movie buffs, we were all like pretty much movie buffs, yes, but I never had a collection like like you guys had, you know, of movies and stuff, and so that's another thing where, back in the day, I would be like, well, I work at Blockbuster Like why, why am I gonna buy the movies and like have like 5 000 movies?

00:31:42.964 --> 00:31:48.066
Like I'm just gonna like get the movie, play it and then like bring it back yeah you know versus now.

00:31:48.768 --> 00:31:53.363
You know it's kind of cool, you know seeing like all the movies and it's like, oh shit.

00:31:53.363 --> 00:32:11.920
You know like it brings back memories and this and that you know what I mean so this is like a fraction of the stuff that we have like this doesn't even count, you know, but to that question, I think it's also about age and I think there's a lot of factors that go into that.

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I agree, and I think too that as I've gotten older, I've gotten less judgmental about other people's like things that I wouldn't have thought about, and I'm like oh my gosh.

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And I'll say like, wow, I never would have thought that that's a hobby, but not as a judgment, more of a.

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That's really cool and I want to see like what that's about.

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Kind of.

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Thing.

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Like does that work for me?

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Does that, would I like something like that yeah.

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Yeah, I think I'd become way less judgmental in those scenarios as well.

00:32:39.765 --> 00:32:40.865
Yeah, well, like.

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I mean, just even what.

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Was it the last episode or whatever, when we were like talking about our perception of older people, like getting older and stuff.

00:32:48.494 --> 00:32:49.355
Or like gardening.

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Yeah.

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You know like gardening was such a like oh, but like what a delightful hobby gardening is.

00:32:56.404 --> 00:33:04.296
So, to wrap things up a little bit, Josh, is there perhaps a hobby that you would like to try next?

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Something that you haven't tried before that's of interest to you.

00:33:09.768 --> 00:33:11.855
I actually think I would like to get into some colognes.

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Yeah, Okay, cool Well you'll have to talk to James.

00:33:15.609 --> 00:33:15.810
Yeah.

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Get some insight there.

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I'd like to do something more of a physical activity as a hobby, okay, like maybe yoga.

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It's so crazy.

00:33:30.689 --> 00:33:35.076
You say that because I have been looking into doing yoga.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Because apparently for the stretching and which I'm in so much pain in general just from trying to do this bodybuilding thing, I've been actually really considering yoga.

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I guess I didn't look at it like a hobby.

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